Lord Legacy
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Darth NihilusWhat do you guys think about Darth Nihilus, I belive he was one of the most powerful Sith Lords of the expanded universe
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Darth Tress
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I actually think that Revan was more powerful.
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Darth Acheron
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Darth Nihilus was strong, there is no doubt about that, but The Exile could defeat him, and therefore Revan, a much more powerful Jedi/Sith could have done it with no problem.
The only reason Nihilus was able to rise to power was becuase of Revan's dissapearence, or else he would never have become as powerful as he did.
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High Commander Vexen
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i agreeI agree with Commander Minious Nihilus would have been easily defeated by Revan. Though the exile only won because the video game required it same with Sion and Traya
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Darth Acheron
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Thats not the only reason, but yeah, the Exile should have been beaten.
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High Commander Vexen
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Yep Im to nihilus as you are to Malak
who would win if sion, traya, nihilus,malak,revan,and the exile fought each other all at once
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Darth Tress
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Probably none of them as they would all die.
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Darth Acheron
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Nah, Malak would retreat to his Star ship and blow them all away,  .
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High Commander Vexen
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If Malak retreated to his ship then Nihilus would go to the Ravager
Plus Nihilus could kill them with the same move he used to kill the jedi on Katarr
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Darth Acheron
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Then Malak would strike a false alliance with Nihilus, until Nihilus turned his back, when Malak would wipe him out. :p
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High Commander Vexen
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Nihilus would not fall for that because he can sense deception like with Visas Marr plus he is almost unstoppable
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Darth Acheron
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Well, he couldn't speak properly, at least Malak can speak basic. :p
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High Commander Vexen
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Acording to Traya" he has so much power he is no longer a man" which means he is the most powerful he could crush Malak
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Darth Acheron
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Malak was far more powerful, as he was one of the best two Jedi in his time, who went on to become the strongest Sith Lord after Revan.
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High Commander Vexen
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well it really doesn't matter as Revan could kill Malak and Nihilus as well as Sion and Traya.
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Darth Acheron
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Ah, but Revan only killed Malak, because the game had to progress. You said it yourself about Nihilus, why can't I about Malak?
(WOOT! I'm beating Saber! Ooh yeah, ooh yeah.)
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High Commander Vexen
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| Commander Minious wrote: | | who went on to become the strongest Sith Lord after Revan. |
notice how you said AFTER REVAN meaning Revan should have killed him you said it yourself
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Darth Acheron
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I meant merely that Revan had been holding Malak back from progressing to the rank of Dark Lord of the Sith, and have them ruling as equals. Instead, Revan made Malak his Apprentice, therefore making Malak a mere Sith Apprentice/ Darth/Lord.
Once Revan was out of the way, Malak rose to the rightful rank, and proved himself worthy of it.
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Darth Nelinik
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I think Malak didn't deserved that rank in a way. After they disappear for some time and return Darth Revan is the new dark lord right.
Well if Darth Malak was to be the Dark Lord I think he would have came back as Dark Lord instead of Revan if he was ready to assume that role. It just goes to show Revan was meant to be the Dark Lord. I wouldn't exactly say firing on the bridge of your masters ship while in the middle of a battle shows you deserve that rank. I think it shows that he was afraid to fight his master up front.
You already know Revan is the rightful owner of that title.
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Darth Acheron
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No, I don't know that. For all I know, Malak fought Revan in the Unknown Region, and lost only because Revan made a lucky swipe at his jaw, which is why he required the plate.
If you bother to read anything on the matter, it clearly says Revan and Malak were equal Sith, but Revan bullied Malak into the position of Apprentice.
Malak saw his chance when Revan was badly hurt by the Jedi, and fired on the ship, in a clever move, hoping to eliminate a stronger opponent, and a fearsome Jedi, of who, when he learnt of her survival, he spent a lot of resources tracking down.
So I'm sorry, but if you have had the time to read any articles upon this issue, it says Malak and Revan were of equal strength, and that Malak was bullied into the role of Apprentice.
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Lord Scourge
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Minious, where exactly are these articles?
The primary source of information about Revan and Malak is the game, Knights of the Old Republic, where we get lines such as "Revan was always the more powerful" when you ask the Jedi Masters on Dantooine about the history of Revan and Malak. (I'd have to reply the game to that point to get a precise quote, though.)
There's also the fact that every time Revan and Malak fought, including the fight in the Unknown Regions that led to Malak's damaged face, Revan was the clear victor - unless you want to count Malak having his ship fire on Revan's bridge, which is hardly a demonstration of personal power or fighting ability.
-Scourge
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Darth Acheron
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Wikipedia and the likes always seemed to imply they were of relatively equal, and that even as Jedi, they were pretty much at the same level, but hey, prove me wrong if you can. 
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Lord Legacy
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never knowwe obviously revan was better he was the master malak was apprentice
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Darth Acheron
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But I'm saying that was because Revan may have been marginally more powerful in a fight, and when he challenged Malak, he forced Malak to step down.
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Lord Scourge
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| Commander Minious wrote: | | Wikipedia and the likes always seemed to imply they were of relatively equal, and that even as Jedi, they were pretty much at the same level, but hey, prove me wrong if you can. |
I can grab the quotes from KOTOR and KOTOR II, if you like, it just requires replaying those sections (oh, no, not replaying the KOTOR games! alas!  )
However, I don't consider Wikipedia a valid source unless verified by a more credible source. The basis of allowing any registered user to submit edits to existing articles leads to many inaccuracies. I'm not saying it's automatically wrong, and it's very useful because well-researched pieces often lead to the more credible sources, but it needs to be verified by another source. Either of us can also re-read the backstory of Revan and Malak on the respective sites of the makers of those games.
Incidentally, I'm not saying that they weren't peers in many respects, as they were more like brothers when they were Jedi. Even then however, Revan was always a natural leader, with Malak his strongest supporter.
For that matter, at the end of KOTOR, Malak says to Revan that s/he was always the Master, and being the Lord of the Sith was not his destiny, but Revan's.
-Scourge
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Darth Acheron
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Its so hard to prove Malak the stronger of the two, when he himself admits to being the weaker one.
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