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| Darth Acheron |
Legacy Speculation May Contain SpoilersAfter sw.com announced this comic series, I was over the moon! What does anyone else think? 100 years in the future for SW could see the Phantoms being mentioned .
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| Jaden Nightsaber |
It looks awsome! Very interesting. | ||||
| Darth Acheron |
I can't wait, though I'll have to, as I'll have to wait for the TPB. 
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| Emperor Shadow |
Since this is the appropriate thread: I don't feel bad necro-posting.
So has anyone else read the exerpt in Triple Zero? Woah, I'm very excited to see how Wedge and the rest of the Rogue's preperation for taking I.C. will be important! |
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| Darth Reaper |
I don't think 100 years into the future would make sense. Where's all the regular people at 100 years from now? | ||||
| Scion |
He brings a good point | ||||
| Darth Acheron |
I think its bad, because whenever you venture that far into the future, you will make bigger jumps in technology then should be possible.
take for example all those sci-fi books set in 2000-2010, where we have hover cars, and those cool doors and stuff, yet do we have that stuff? No. People make assumptions, and often miscalculate how fast technology will advance, and therefore make awkward problems. I hope this won't be the case in these comics, though setting it at 1000 years after the Legacy books would have been better, because then they could have made whatever jumps in technology they wanted, and have 1000 years of book oppurtunity in which to invent the stuff. |
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| Darth Acheron |
Lord Scourge, here is the thread I mean. You may wish to repost your material here. | ||||
| Lord Scourge |
heh - I hadn't noticed the thread being about the comics, and while I'm looking forward to the novels, I haven't been reading as much about those.
At any rate - my friend at the comic shop was telling me yesterday that he saw the promo material for the Legacy comics and so I jumped online and found what I put in the separate post: http://www.darkhorse.com/news/pressrelease.php?id=1267 I had heard rumors, but this... this is beautiful! By Ostrander and Duursema, no less! 
Cover of Legacy #0, http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=13-514 
Cover of Legacy #1, http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=13-453 Now I'm a very happy Sith... ...although I am confused by one thing - I thought the Legacy novels were coming directly in the wake of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, starting around 35-36 ABY. These are a hundred years later... are they saying that the Legacy Era is going to continue that far into the "future"? However, I don't understand your meaning, Minious, when you talk about the anachronisms that result from predicting future technology, as applying to Star Wars. This isn't Earth-based SF, this is space opera set a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.... the history of technology and industry is whatever they want it to be. -Scourge |
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| Darth Acrimonus |
I must admit it is confusing naming both the novels and the comics "Legacy". Although the full series title is "Legacy of the Force", I thought. Anyway, I beleive they actually relate to different Legacies, and apart from existing in the same universe, will most likely be as seperate from each other as possible with creating any obvious continuity contradictions. | ||||
| Lord Scourge |
I honestly don't know... the comics all fit into the Era system they've created, and these are going to be marked as Legacy Era - with Legacy of the Force being the name of the series of novels, also in the Legacy Era.
I have a feeling this may be as planned out as NJO, if not moreso by not only including multiple novel authors, but also comic writers and artists. -Scourge |
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| Scion |
Does anyone know, (Scourge?), when Zero and 1 are being released? | ||||
| Darth Acheron |
Yeah, I think Sue has said the era will span for hundreds of years. I'm assuming it will be until the Skywalker line dies out, as the era is about the LEgacy Luke leaves behind. | ||||
| Lord Scourge |
It actually has that on the links I gave - #0 is released May 17th, and #1 is released June 7th. -Scourge |
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| Darth Acrimonus |
That is both a benefit and a curse. Knowing that the Legacy of the Force novels will have to end with the Sith reclaiming power does kind of spoils the surprise. I'd much rather have had them come to that conclusion without anyone really knowing. Still, if enough forthought is put into it all, we should be in for two excellent new series. |
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| Darth Acheron |
How so? The Legacy series could end with the Sith retreating to some unknown world, or being destroyed completely, and in 80 - 90 years they are reborn once again. | ||||
| Lord Scourge |
Okay, they have gotten more clear about the nature of "Legacy Era" - it is the period that is dominated by the descendants of the Skywalkers. The Era ends when that line dies out, which is at least two to three centuries after the movies - although it appears that much of the time there's only going to be one or two Skywalkers at a time, or sometimes just a handful. It looks like surviving to reproductive age is an achievement for a Skywalker, and large families are rare - lucky thing for them that twins run in the family.
The Legacy novels are picking up right where NJO leaves off, but Legacy comics are some time the next century. So the comics and closer to the known storyline to the end of the Skywalker Legacy. Anyhow, Legacy #0 was only a few weeks late (this is an accomplishment for the first issue of a new comics series), and it is basically one big Dramatis Personae for the series - it gives some character background, information about the weapons and vehicles used, and so on.... Getting to what we all care about, there are six Darth figures in this series. Yeah, I said SIX of 'em 
The deep red Twi'lek babe in black leather and full body Sith tattoos is Darth Talon.... actually it looks like everyone has facial tattoos, although Talon definitely has the most work done. She and all the rest follow Darth Krayt, the current Master of the Order - the info on him tells us much: Ancient and deadly, Darth Krayt has created a Sith Order that is fully immersed in the Dark Side. For over a hundred years, Krayt's Sith have hidden on the planet Korriban, using the miasma of the Dark Side that permeates the planet to conceal themselves. The Rule of Two is gone, banished by the Sith's new leader. Now there is only the One—the Sith Order itself. We also have Darth Nihil, Krayt's Hand and chief enforcer, who looks like he was designed by Roman Dirge or Jhonen Vasquez. Darth Stryfe is a massive warrior who looks a bit like Lemmy from Motörhead. Darth Wyyrlok is a Chagrian, the third to take that name, and is the trusted scholar who is the master of Krayt's rituals. Finally Darth Maladi appears to be a female Devaronian - so both of the female Darths have red skin - with her expertise being intel and torture. On the cover of Legacy #1 (above), the figure to the left of Talon is Krayt, and the figure to the right of Talon is Nihil (looking at the picture, I mean your left and right, not Talon's left and right). It's amusing, but there's a number of easy comparisons to our Empire: Krayt = Empress Stryfe = Minious Maladi = Actir Wyyrlock = Scourge and Tontie combined Nihil = Zero I suppose that leaves Talon as Shadow... I don't know how he'd look in the leather bra-and-panty set that she wears, though.... 
-Scourge |
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| Emperor Shadow |
I still need to pick this comic up.
By the way, hush before you give me a new idea for a costume for Weekends next year. |
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| High Commander Vexen |
I think I will like Nihil
Nihil... Nihilus coinsidence I think not Nihilus was derived from the latin word Nihil meaning nothing so I really think I will like him though a plot twist could have him with Nihilus's mask in hand that would be awesome |
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| Lady Ducki |
Spare me the horrible image
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| Emperor Shadow |
Hey, I may not be as hot as a female Twi'lek but I assure you I don't look too too terrible in little clothing.
I am on swim team. Perish dirty thoughts. |
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| Lord Scourge |
I was on the swim team when I was your age - I remember it quite well.
It's the leather bra that might not flatter you too well.... -Scourge |
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| Emperor Shadow |
Probably not, leather and I just don't mix very well. Especially leather undergarments that are worn as clothing and designed for a Twi'lek female. | ||||
| High Commander Vexen |
yeah umm can you continue this over PM please | ||||
| Darth Acheron |
Yes, I think it is very interesting that their are parralells between them and our Empire. Oh, what I would give for their main world to be named Kroplu or somthing, to intensify the similarities,  .
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| Trivas |
I really am very leery about this. I don't like the idea of eople just springing forward and finishing the story before the rest of the books catch up. It sort of nullifies what the other authors did. Look at the Clone Wars, everyone knew that all the Jedi there were dead, they knew what happened, they knew that the Republic would win and then be turned to the Empire. It took away a lot of the mystery that the NJO had for me since I did not know who or what will survive (especially after they conquered Courscant and killed Anakin).
For instance, if they have a planet in this new series, you know that nothing happened to that planet in the books following Betrayal. So, no matter how bad things get in that series, that planet survives so you do not fear or wonder if it will be destroyed or not. Same with any mention of characters (thought they said they will not include Luke, Leia, or Han so as not to take away the ability of other authers from killing them off) but they do not say they won't mention Jacen, Jaina, and the other younger characters. |
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| Lord Scourge |
They aren't finishing the story being written in the Legacy novels, it's a different story. It's set in 130 ABY later, and yes, they are saying they won't mention Jacen or Jaina. I guess you have that bit of mystery answered - Jacen and Jaina don't live to be 120 years old.
They have completely different Skywalkers, Kal and his son Cade, who are a few generations after Ben - so you know that Ben lives to reproductive age. But you know that anyhow if you have read the promotional material that states the Legacy era lasts until the Skywalker line dies out, a few centuries after the movies. If you like, I can post the backstory they've given, which will give you the basic idea of what happens after the Legacy novels, but you still won't have any idea what happens in the Legacy novels, because there's no hint of that. As far as planets getting destroyed, the LFL creators have told us that the galaxy is settling down, no more massive destruction on the scale of the YV war for a while. Personally, I never had problems with the Clone Wars, knowing that in the end, all the Jedi died. It's like watching a new version of an old legend - you know what's going to happen, the interesting part is watching it play out. Most of Shakespeare's stories were old before he wrote his versions - the first time an audience watched Hamlet, they knew that everyone dies, but it's still a great story to see how everyone dies. This is the SW title I've been anticipating the most since the first KOTOR game - it's the new project by Ostrander and Duursema, the team that brought us the entire Quinlan Vos saga, as well as several other SW comics stories that are just fantastic. There's a reason why Ostrander is the EU writer who has had the most material integrated into the movies.... I was just so excited about getting six new Darths, that I still haven't gotten around to explaining most of the rest of the info they provide.... -Scourge |
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| Trivas |
I heard it was only 100 years after, not 120. Anyway, I hope there are novels, I don't like comics as much. | ||||
| Lord Scourge |
Whereas I think the best SW writing is in the comics...
Anyhow, the Legacy novels are immediately following the YV war. The Legacy comics are about 100 years after the Legacy novels (set in 130 ABY). If I tell you everything in the "what has come before" recap info that's in Legacy #0, then yes, you will find out a lot of what comes after the Legacy novels... not necessarily anything that happens in those novels, though. -Scourge |
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| Darth Acheron |
Scourge, you have your dates a tad wrong. The Legacy novels start five years after the Swarm War novels, which themselves take place five years after the NJO.
The Legacy comics are set 140 ABY - 100 years after the Legacy novels (Set 40 ABY) |
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| Lord Scourge |
Ah, okay so Legacy novels aren't immediately following the NJO novels, but they're not a decade later - Ben Skywalker is only 13 in Betrayal.
No matter when the Legacy novels take place, Legacy #0 says that the events of the comic series take place about 130 ABY. -Scourge |
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| Darth Acheron |
No, thats the prologue, the actual series takes place ten years later.
Well, Ben is 3 in NJO: unifying Force, he is 7-8 in Swarm War, which means it takes place five years later, and he is 13 in Betrayal, which means it takes place ten years later. According to my copy of TZ's timeline, the NJO series goes from 25-30 ABY, Dark Nest is at 35 ABY, and Betrayal, Bloodlines and Tempest are at 40 ABY. |
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| Emperor Shadow |
That sounds right in my mind. I normally know these dates, so it sounds pretty good. | ||||
| Darth Acheron |
Well, just picked up issue number 0 today, and thought it was excwellent, and now I wish to present my theory on it all, :
Ok, shortly into the Lumiya conflict, Jag is going to reappear, at the head of the Hand of Thrawn group. They will coax Pellaeon and other Imperial officials into leaving the GFFA and into reforming the Empire, which will be lead by Jag himself (Remember, they did say there had been two Fel Emperor's before the legacy one). Overjoyed to see him again, and possibly grievoing over Zekk's recent death (I hope  ) Jaina joins him where they are soon married and she becomes pregnant with his child. They have a son, who continues the Empire, which is rather benign, and operates side by side with the GFFA, signing a treaty declaring war shall never erupt between them, the Treaty of Anaxes. Jag's grand-son is born, and soon after the GFFA is plunged into chaos as more worlds break away, joining the Empire, still bitter over recent terra-forming issues, causing the Empire to grow, making it more ambitious.
Soon, the Sith arrive at the Empire's capital, Bastion, and agree to aid them in over-throwing the GFFA, which is supported by their enemy, the Jedi. Soon the GFFA is over-thrown and the Empire, under the rule of Roan fel, Jag's grand-son. Quickly, the Sith turn on them, betraying them as easily as the Empire did the GFFA. On a side-note, there are some issues with this that I have. Betrayal recently told us that the Galaxy had done away with naming capital craft after Star Destroyers, as it held painful memories, yet there now exists a Super Star Destroyer of a new class. Hm... Another issue is that X-Wing's are STILL around, I mean, cummon, come up with a new class. Headhunters became X-Wings, so whats to stop X-Wings becoming somthing new? 
I am glad though to see that with Chak and Kee, the pirate duo, that Chak is the captain, the exact reverse of the Han-Chewie relationshipe, where the human was in charge. I'm interested that Chak is old enough to have seen the Clone Wars, so does that m,ean he may pop up in Legacy of the Force? Vexen, on a sie note, its Darth Nihl, not Nihil. I love the fact that there are jedi serving in the Empire, and that the Empire didn't do a Palpatine and purge the Jedi. I also am dissapointed that they couldn't make new armour, but just improved the Storm trooper Empire, actually succeeding in amking Storm roopers look even thicker tyhen they did in their Palpatine-Imperial Armour (Jeez, I can't just call it the Empire anymore! Its the Palpatine Empire! )
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| Trivas |
Okay, you got issue 0. How much of what you just said is true and how much is your speculation?
I am especially interested to hear how Jag and Jaina get together and how a new Empire is reborn. |
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| Darth Acheron |
Everything is fact minus my suggestion that the Empire is originally led by jag. | ||||
| Darth Acheron |
This is what we know about the war between the Empire and Alliance in the Legacy comics:
Everything underlined leads support to my theory. this is not the entire issue, but just the facts that aid my theory, and explain the Imperial-Alliance war. [1] - Roan Fel is the Third Emperor, suggesting the line could in fact begin with Jag, or his child, though the next few points make it more likely to be him. [2] - Roan is a Force-Sensitive, this is clear from the article, pointing hard to him having a Jedi ancestor, who, could quite possibly be jaina, who may have married Jag in the future aftyer Betrayal. [3] - It is obvious now that his grand father was the creator of the Empire, not just an elected leader after its creation. this could quite possibly lead to my theory that Jag unites the Hand into a new cohesive Empire. [4] - Further supporting that Jaina shares her blood with Roan and Sia, that Sia is also Force Sensitive like her father. A line as strong as the Skywalker - on jaina's mother's side - would leave all its descendants strong in the Force, as this suggests, now, if Roan's father were also a Jedi/Imperial Knight... |
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| Trivas |
That looks beyond awesome. Finally, an Empire vs Rebellion style fight instead of a stupid insect war or a pathetic rebellion. | ||||
| Darth Acheron |
Well, I actually find the Corellian rebellion very convincing, though I do agree about the bugs, .
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| Lord Scourge |
For me, anything by Ostrander and Duursema tends to look fantastic... -Scourge |
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| Lord Scourge |
So I now have Legacy #1, with the actual story beginning, rather than just the "what has come before" information.
It again says the events take place 130 ABY, but now I tend to agree that the main story is going to be ten years later. For example, the story shows Kol and Cade Skywalker apparently giving their lives so the other Jedi can escape. However, in that scene Cade is a boy, probably about ten years younger than the pictures of him in Legacy #0, which talk about him long since turning his back on his Jedi legacy. So it appears that Cade, at least, managed to escape and presumably that event is the turning point when he stops being a Jedi - leading up to the next time we see him, ten years later. I no longer assume that Darth Maladi is a female Devaronian based on her skin color. All the Sith so far except Darth Krayt (with death-grey skin) and Darth Nihl (with Nagai white skin) have the same color red, including the Chagrian and a few "background Sith" that I don't think are Darths. So I think they're all covered in red-and-black tattoos.... we can't even assume that Darth Babe....err, Darth Talon, is a red-skinned Twi'lek. She could naturally have blue or green skin, which has been entirely covered by red and black ink. I even saw a Savrip covered in red and black, in the background of one panel. A freakin' Sith Savrip?! yeesh.... -Scourge |
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| High Commander Vexen |
lol Scourge
lol again |
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| Darth Acheron |
Forgive my ignorance, but whats a Sevrip? | ||||
| Lord Scourge |
A semi-sentient hulking creature about 3 meters tall, which is one of the pieces in dejarik:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mantellian_Savrip -Scourge |
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| Trivas |
If they can help increase its intelligence, it would be a very dangerous foe nonetheless. | ||||
| Darth Acheron |
Yes, it looks very powerful, .
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| Lord Scourge |
Now add red and black Sith tattoos...
-Scourge |
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| Darth Acheron |
Ouch...
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| Lord Scourge |
Okay, to answer the earlier question, Star Wars Legacy #2 is seven years later, in 137 ABY. It does not look like it's going to jump ahead soon, it looks like we're now at the main action of the story.
heheheh - Cade Skywalker's looking to collect the bounty on a Jedi....
-Scourge |
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| Brigadier General Matas |
Dang! That must have hurt more than when Sidious put Darth Maul's tatoos. |
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| Emperor Shadow |
Most likely. It's safe to assume though that Maul's were all over his body as well. So Talon (who we see kill her Master!!!) probably endured the same thing. | ||||
| Brigadier General Matas |
It must have been harder on her because she is a female, you know what I'm talking about. And she is a Twi'lek and her lekku are really sensitive, to have someone stab them must have been painful. | ||||
| Emperor Shadow |
Good point. Most likely. I like her though, she's cool. My favorite is Kryat's head of intelligence, though. | ||||
| Lord Scourge |
err.... just look at Kadrian Kolar's sig images.... they're from the Darth Maul comic and clearly show he's got full-body Sith tats.
Speaking from the perspective of someone who loves getting tattooed, however, I'd like to point out that the more painful the tattoo, the more exhilarating it is. Yes, the tats on Talon's chest probably hurt more than the tats on Maul's chest - which almost certainly means she got a bigger "high" from the pain. -Scourge |
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| Trivas |
I never understood why people liked inflicting pain upon themselves. It sounds too... Yuuzhan Vongish to me. | ||||
| Lord Scourge |
I thought it was one of the few admirable traits about the YV - and some of us have been into it far longer than Del Rey has been telling stories about the Vong....
ANY endorphin can feel good. -Scourge |
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| Trivas |
Pain and the hard road are for the Jedi. I am a Sith and have no problem taking the easy road. | ||||
| Darth Acheron |
How can you like pain, Scourge??? Its pain for a reason, its there to tell us we are doing something wrong, and should stop, not there for us to enjoy. | ||||
| Trivas |
There are people that like pain. I am not saying he is one of them, but there are sado-machists (sp?) that enjoy inflicting and receiving pain for some reason. | ||||
| Lord Scourge |
If you want to get very precise, I am not a true masochist, because the pain itself is not pleasurable. However, most people who are called a masochist are actually an algolagniac, as I am, which is someone who enjoys the increased sensistivity that comes with pain.
However, once again being very precise, it is not pain when it is anticipated. Pain is, by definition, a shock to the system. When you are sitting down and receiving a tattoo, it is not actually painful unless you allow it to be. When I got my last tattoo, the sensation quickly put me into a meditative trance and didn't really hurt. Someone hitting you in a tender part of the body is pain, but someone inking you in a way you want, isn't. However, I really have a hard time coming up with something which is more Sith-like than true sadomasochism: enjoying inflicting and/or receiving pain for its own sake. -Scourge |
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| Trivas |
No offense to you, but that is exactly the position that makes so many people think of the Sith as "evil". I am Sith, 100%, but many of my ideas would align me with the Grey Jedi. I believe that a Force user can use agression to prevent an attack, something the Jedi would not do. I have no qualms with killing using the Force (ie, choking, lightening, snapping things in half) another thing the Jedi cannot do (they can kill, but just not with the Force, they must use a lightsaber or a gun or something). |
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| Darth Ezan |
I'm usually peaceful in life I try to make more allies then enemies, my actions would reflect that of jedi but the problem is, is that I follow a shorter version of Bushido. I believe in vengance, I have punched at least 3 people's faces in this year for bullying me, but I usually don't strike at someone physically unless they strike at me first. | ||||
| Lord Scourge |
Whereas I would simply argue that sadomasochism being thought of as evil, is as great a misunderstanding as the Sith being thought of as evil. Any group of people who care for each other as much as the BDSM community does, and promotes the philosophy of "safe, sane and consentual" in all aspects of life as much as that community does, is the opposite of a community that preaches peace and love, but persecutes anyone who disagrees with them - in almost exactly the same kind of opposition that the Sith have to the Jedi. -Scourge |
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| Darth Ezan |
Errrrr..BDSM? | ||||
| Lord Scourge |
Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism - people who are into one of these things are usually into more than one, and drawn to people who like the rest of it, thereby forming a community with its own cultural values. The most common of those values are that all activities should be 1) safe, 2) sane and 3) consentual. The still-prevalent idea that sadists wish to inflict their perverse desires onto others without their consent is usually based on misreading various pieces of fiction (such as those written by the Marquis de Sade) and thinking they are something other than a fantasy. Thus my argument, that tarring BDSM as evil, is as gross a misunderstanding as tarring the Sith as evil.
Wow, it's a good thing no one tries to tell us to stop going off-topic on this board...
-Scourge |
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| Lord Seti |
I completely agree with Lord Scourge here. BDSM is a seriously misunderstood lifestyle. As stated, "1) safe, 2) sane and 3) consentual" are the basic laws of the community. Far too many fictionalized stories have marred many people's view of the lifestyle. I mean I haven't whipped my wife against her will in weeks! 
- Seti |
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| Emperor Shadow |
Once more unto the breach charges Seti as the arch angel of truth and freedom.
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| Lord Seti |
ROFL Well you know... I try my best.
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