The Lightwhip

Lord Scourge · The Lightwhip

I hadn't noticed until he applied to join the Empire that Samuel has been wielding a hot pink lightwhip as his weapon, while he has been a Jedi.

So I'm curious, as another who uses this elegant weapon, have you always used a lightwhip, or are you taking it as your weapon on joining the Sith?

(hot pink? Rolling Eyes

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-Scourge

High Commander Vexen

Lord Scourge

Darth Cruiciatus

Lord Scourge

I can name two Sith who used lightwhips, Lady Githany and Lady Lumiya, but I don't know of any Jedi who have used one anywhere in the EU. Do you?

That makes it even more Sith-specific than the double-bladed lightsaber or lanvarok.

-Scourge

Darth Cruiciatus

Lord Scourge

very Interesting.... do you know which source? book or comic?

-Scourge

Emperor Shadow

Cestus Deception... but just for the duration of the events contained to the novel.

Darth Cruiciatus

Lord Scourge

Interesting, I'll probably have to take a look - still leaves the lightwhip in as good of a position to be called a Sith weapon, with its earliest known use being a Sith, and the only known time of a Jedi using one, being so he would not be identified as a Jedi.... so the lightwhip has as strong of a claim to be called a Sith weapon as the double-bladed lightsaber or the lanvarok, both of which are listed as Sith weapons in the Dark Side Sourcebook.

Actually, I'm kindof curious, if a weapon is invented by the Sith, only used as the primary weapon by the Sith, and the only known case of being used by a Jedi was when one is attempting to not be identified as such... what would you need for something to be called a Sith weapon?

-Scourge

Darth Cruiciatus

I really don't think you can call anything a dark or light side weapon. IT should jsut be a weapon. A dark side weapon would be force choke or force lightning, or another dark side force power. Light side weapon would be, um, Electric Judgement.

Prophet Scyrone

Electric Judgment is a rip-off of Lightning and was created so people would find the Jedi more appealing.

Well, personally I think pink sabers or whips are awesome?

Lord Scourge

We seem to be speaking at cross-purposes, Samuel. I'm not claiming that a particular weapon causes Light Side or Dark Side tendencies, or that it means everyone who uses it has to be one thing or another, I'm refering to a cultural association.

For example, a YT-1300 freighter is a Corellian ship, but that doesn't mean everyone you find flying one will be a Corellian. However, showing up in a YT-1300 will create a certain reaction, and a lot of people will think "Corellian smuggler" before you even get out of your ship. Similarly, pulling out a lightsaber will make most people think "Jedi" unless you're dressed all in black and the lightsaber has a red blade.

Similarly, the lightwhip generates a particular reaction, largely because the only two known figures from the EU who use one as their main weapon are both Sith Ladies, albeit their whips were of vastly different designs. The example you give of a Jedi wielding it, is an exception that proves that point, as Kit Fisto used a whip as part of a deception, to not be readily identified as a Jedi, but still have a weapon with as much utility as a lightsaber (do I understad that correctly?)

It is because of such associations that I wondered if anyone had commented on it, but apparently not.

Incidentally, what color was Fisto's lightwhip? Does anyone know if it's pictured on the cover of a particular edition of the book (hardcover, paperback)?

-Scourge

Emperor Shadow

Kit used it more out of a necessity than an actual desire or attempt to belay the population of Ord Cestus thinking he was a Jedi because at the time he was traveling with Obi-Wan Kenobi and being pursued by a bald Dark Jedi in a skirt with twin red sabers. So, if memory serves, it was the only thing they could scrounge together at the time.

Incidentally, Kit's not on the cover at all even though he takes down the 'prototype' Jedi droid killer within the first twenty odd pages.

Lord Scourge

So Obi-Wan had the parts to put together a lightwhip, but not a lightsaber? How... odd.

I'll have to take a look at it some time, I was just guessing that with that title and the unusual nature of the weapon, they were somewhat related.

What color was Fisto's lightwhip, incidentally, and is there any mention of what became of it?

-Scourge

Emperor Shadow

That is what I understand. I may not have paid much attention to that section as I should have for this conversation.

I do think it was white and just channeled energy from a crystal native to the planet... But like I say, I don't recall those details too too well. I can certainly reread the section in question within the next few days and be sure, though.

Lord Scourge

Ah, so it could be a trait of crystals from Ord Cestus, then?

I may need to hire an expidition to collect a number of those crystals...

-Scourge

Emperor Shadow

Yes, for all we know it could be a unique factor.

Lord Scourge

Hm, reading some summaries of Cestus Deception, it appears that there's a bit of a fixation on Gabonna memory crystals which are needed for making the Jedi-killer driods. The Gabonna crystals are imported to Ord Cestus, but so far there is no mention of where they come from - no indication so far that Gabonna is the name of a planet, but no reason to discount that possibility, either.

So far, the summaries haven't mentioned Kit Fisto's lightwhip, so the idea that Obi-Wan used a Gabonna crystal as the only thing available is still just speculation, but worth following up.

-Scourge

Emperor Shadow

Cestus Deception my Lord. The Sepratists sort of invented the crystals as a trap to lure Obi-Wan or Kit Fisto if my brian isn't too addled to recall properly.

Lord Scourge

Based on my readings so far - please correct me if my partial information packets belie the true nature of this operation - indicate that the deception was that the Jedi-Killer droids were neither mass-produced, nor even supplied for mass production. However, the JK introduced was real, and did in fact need both Gabonna memory crystals and biological components collected from dashta eels.

It appears that the plot went so far as to indicate it would be possible to clone the relevant organs of the Force-sensitive dashta eels, when it was not. However there does not appear to be any innate falsehoods that many droids made on Ord Cestus required the use of Gabonna crystals, that the Old Republic had restricted the shipment of said crystals, and that the Separatists were luring the Cestians to their side by arranging an alternate supply of crystals.

My thought that it may be Gabonna memory crystals that Obi-Wan used to make Kit Fisto's lightwhip, was pure speculation, given that those crystals appear to have been very important to this operation, and that some could likely be salvaged from damaged droids sent to destroy the Jedi. I still await a review of the full report.

my thanks,

-Scourge

Embeion · Re: The Lightwhip

Supreme Prophet Praxeum

It doesn't really affect this (long dead) conversation, but I also found that Silri, Ona Nobis, Darth Maleval, and Vigo Lord Xist all used lightwhips as well.

Sources:

Star Wars: Empire at War: Forces of Corruption

Jedi Apprentice: The Deadly Hunter

Jedi Apprentice: The Evil Experiment

Jedi Apprentice: The Dangerous Rescue

Star Wars Legacy 4: Noob

Star Wars: Obsession

Xander Vos

There's a comic called Noob??? Lol!

Darth Thrax

Haha! Dakoth would be rolling!

Xander Vos

Major General Celestial

Lumiya was the best with a lightwhip wasn't she?

Lord Aequitas

Wow....major necroposting.

But yes, she was. She was stylish about it too.

Major General Celestial

I believe I read something in betrayal.

The Lightwhip

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