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  High Prophet Crozeus
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Legal in some states. I had it once, at my brother's friends' party. It was horrible Sad
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Something horrible is crack. Not the drug, but the energy drink. Illegal in 13 states I believe...and will make you feel like you had 6 cups of coffee every hour for the next week or so.
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Now I see what is meant by "Doing stuff" lol
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Abisinthe is also in a movie called 'Blood and Chocolate.' I've never tried any of those energy drinks. I drink expresso with an extra shot of the expresso in it sometimes.
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I love Lucozade Sport Orange. I don't know if it is in the States. I think i may have seen it but you never know.
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Right, we've gone totally offtopic!

Can an ADMIN lock this please.

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I want to bring this debate back.

As such, I'm reiterating an earlier point of mine.

Grand Mage Aequitas wrote:
A vital point in democracy is that no government is above the law.


Now, as we all know murder, that is by definition of the oxford dictionary, the unlawful premeditated killing of one person by another.

Indeed, the United States' Code also states:
18 U.S.C. § 1111 : US Code - Section 1111: Murder wrote:
Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought.


Now, from the two we can conclude that murder is against the law and from the latter, it is a felony, that is breach of the federal law, in the US. So, it's illegal to murder someone in the United States.

Now murder is the premeditated killing of one person by another, everyone agrees. However, what makes something unlawful.

Again, I take the Oxford English Dictionary as a source

Unlawful is:
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not conforming to or permitted by law or rules


Now, we should discuss what is conforming:

Oxford English Dictionary wrote:
comply with rules, standards, or conventions


Now, to define killing:

Oxford English Dictionary wrote:
an act of causing death


Right, so at this point we have concluded that the act of causing death (killing) is against the rules of conformity (unlawful) and as such is murder.

Now, if everyone is confused, I do apologise, I'll make it simple:

According to conventions and standards in the modern world today, if you kill someone, it is illegal and you must get punished. It is also illegal to kill someone in the United States.

Now we finally get to my point. In the United States, in some states, if you kill someone, you will be given the death sentance.

Now, the death sentence is someone coming in on behalf of the state and killing a person.

I bring this back to my original point of a fundemental point of democracy is no government is above the law.

So why is it that in the United States, the government can order the death of some people and not be brought to punishment under it's own laws? Does this mean that America is not a democracy, is not a shining example of what a developed society is? In my opinion, yes.

In Zimbabwe, the government breaks the law by rigging elections. Compare that to America where the government breaks the law by killing their own citizens. Which sounds worse?

The death penalty must be criminalised. As long as it stays legal, it undermines everything the US does as a legitimate government. For in my eyes, if the Zimbabwean government is not legitimate for going against their laws, why should the US government be legitimate as they break their own laws too.
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In fairness, Zimbabwe does kill it's own citizens.

No country at the moment, or any that ever have been, have ever been a democracy.

America is run by one Supreme Leader who has authroity over an oligarchic elite - the Senate, Supreme Court etc. There is a vital difference in that those bodies can actually overturn the President's decisions.

It is not a democracy.

Only one nation in the world's history has had something like democracy - ancient Greece, and they still had a bit to go.
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Prophet Crozeus wrote:
America is run by one Supreme Leader who has authroity over an oligarchic elite - the Senate, Supreme Court etc. There is a vital difference in that those bodies can actually overturn the President's decisions.


The President has no authority over the Courts or Congress. The President cannot appoint a Judge to the Supreme Court without the consent of the appropriate committee in Congress.

The system of checks and balances between the Executive and the Legislature is in place to assure that there is no absolute power.  

And my point with Zimbabwe was that if the modern world does not see them as legitimate because of election results, why should the modern world see the US government as legitimate if it kills its own citizens.

And, no offence, but something who lists on their Facebook page that they are a fascist will have biased views against democracy. In addition, the debate is on Capital Punishment not on democracy, although admittedly the two do intertwine which is why I used it as a basis for my point.



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