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Is abortion wrong?

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:11 pm
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Yodafueva Jedi Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 241 Location: Superunknown I know we briefly skimmed over this in the 'Presidential Candidates' topic; but seeing as its a important topic, I thought it deserved its own thread. I am 110% against abortion in every way... 1. It kills a human. Or a "future human" if we must argue. Abortion after 21 days is especially sick;seeing as it has a beating heart. 2. I hate the "condoms fail" arguement. In my opinion, if you use a condom, you need to realize it has a 1% failure rate and accept the responsibilty. 3. I truly feel sorry for the raped; its horrible. But seriously though, an eye for an eye. A human for another doesn't do anyone any good. 4. I don't like aborting babies because the mom can't take care of it. Hello? Its called an orphanage. On a slight other note: To many guys today run away the moment "trouble" comes their way. Man up,pay your dues. I hate the "bang em, leave them" idea thats going around. 5. "Its my body, so I can do whatever I want with it!" anology: "Its my gun, so I can shoot you with it!" Seriously though, I didn't realize women's body's had two beating hearts and two brains. Yes, the baby relies on its mother to live, but its still a person in and of itself. 6. Another scenario: The woman's life is at sever risk because of the baby. This one is another anology: "An eye for an eye." Their equal, no life is above the other here. The woman has no right to kill the baby. See point five again. Yes, it relies on the mother. It still has a brain and a beating heart. Finally, I think partially-alive abortion is absolutely sick beyond means. Frankly, I think you have to be truly twisted to perform such an act. Its absolutely disgusting. Principles... _________________

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:15 pm
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High Prophet Crozeus Sith Priest Joined: 24 Jul 2008 Posts: 4498 Location: I am yu, and he is mi. You should have had another option for "choice" _________________

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:26 pm
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Darth Cruiciatus Sith Master Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 1337 Location: With the sheep lovers- the Welsh It's also copypasted from the same thread as Rebels. Considering this forum doesn't have a 2008 Presidential Race thread, i consider it to be funny he wouldn't change that. TL;DR: Copypasta is copypasta _________________

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:11 pm
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Mage Superior Odin Sith Priest Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 1907 Location: poke my bunny First of all, I support pre-20th week abortions and some further abortions when needed. - The incoming baby can be sick, disable, genetically mutated and its responsibility is very big. Both families and their children suffer more and more over years. If this can be prevented, abortion is a good way. I am not saying that "Kill the disabled" Surely everyone has the right to live, but living can turn out to torture easily. I personally dont want a disabled baby. I spent some of my childhood with a half-spastic girl (a relative) nearly 10 year older than me and we were on the same brain pattern when i was 4-5. Even at those times, I was able to understand something was wrong with her. I definitely dont want one because I was aware of everyone was under a torture. Again I'm not saying we should burn them down, but if this can be prevented, it has to be prevented - Use of condom, next day pills, birth protection pills, spirals and other stuff like these are the protection ways, so if you are protected, you feel yourself that you dont want a baby. I find 13-yo mums worse than aborted babies. -A baby is a complete change of life. Especially for poor or disabled people. If I would be poor, I really never want to have a baby because if i make one, i will only torture it with poverty and made its life only miserable. Your life wont change with abortion much, but a baby is a complete turn. -A male cannot understand what pregnancy is. Now I will give you a complete scientific information. If a male gives birth with natural way, he will die because of pain. The scientific fact is women have much more pain capacity than men. -You cannot defend the rapists. It is completely unwanted and you can see the trauma of it each day when you look into your child's eyes. Again it will hurt the children because they will be the "breed of sin". I mean it is not religiously, i dont believe in religion but your disgust will be on your child. -Orphanage is not a way to deal with children. Each year tons of children are left to those places and good stories are really RARE. Nothing more traumatic than being left for a kid. -The body is very-self, you cannot compare with gun. You want a tattoo on your body and get it, noone put one because of "someone wanted". It is exactly same, I can abort my baby, pierce my ears, or remove the cancer. Your tumour is also live, fed by a pumping heart. _________________ Klopf klopf, lass mich rein Lass mich dein geheimnis sein

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:52 pm
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High Commander Vexen Sith Lord Second Degree Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 5107 Location: Building a Communist fighting robot I agree with everything stated here. Elric de Odin wrote: First of all, I support pre-20th week abortions and some further abortions when needed. - The incoming baby can be sick, disable, genetically mutated and its responsibility is very big. Both families and their children suffer more and more over years. If this can be prevented, abortion is a good way. I am not saying that "Kill the disabled" Surely everyone has the right to live, but living can turn out to torture easily. I personally dont want a disabled baby. I spent some of my childhood with a half-spastic girl (a relative) nearly 10 year older than me and we were on the same brain pattern when i was 4-5. Even at those times, I was able to understand something was wrong with her. I definitely dont want one because I was aware of everyone was under a torture. Again I'm not saying we should burn them down, but if this can be prevented, it has to be prevented - Use of condom, next day pills, birth protection pills, spirals and other stuff like these are the protection ways, so if you are protected, you feel yourself that you dont want a baby. I find 13-yo mums worse than aborted babies. -A baby is a complete change of life. Especially for poor or disabled people. If I would be poor, I really never want to have a baby because if i make one, i will only torture it with poverty and made its life only miserable. Your life wont change with abortion much, but a baby is a complete turn. -A male cannot understand what pregnancy is. Now I will give you a complete scientific information. If a male gives birth with natural way, he will die because of pain. The scientific fact is women have much more pain capacity than men. -You cannot defend the rapists. It is completely unwanted and you can see the trauma of it each day when you look into your child's eyes. Again it will hurt the children because they will be the "breed of sin". I mean it is not religiously, i dont believe in religion but your disgust will be on your child. -Orphanage is not a way to deal with children. Each year tons of children are left to those places and good stories are really RARE. Nothing more traumatic than being left for a kid. -The body is very-self, you cannot compare with gun. You want a tattoo on your body and get it, noone put one because of "someone wanted". It is exactly same, I can abort my baby, pierce my ears, or remove the cancer. Your tumour is also live, fed by a pumping heart.

Re: Is abortion wrong?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:00 am
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Lord Seti Sith Lord Second Degree Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 946 Location: Everywhere Yodafueva wrote: I know we briefly skimmed over this in the 'Presidential Candidates' topic; but seeing as its a important topic, I thought it deserved its own thread. I am 110% against abortion in every way... 1. It kills a human. Or a "future human" if we must argue. Abortion after 21 days is especially sick;seeing as it has a beating heart. 2. I hate the "condoms fail" arguement. In my opinion, if you use a condom, you need to realize it has a 1% failure rate and accept the responsibilty. 3. I truly feel sorry for the raped; its horrible. But seriously though, an eye for an eye. A human for another doesn't do anyone any good. 4. I don't like aborting babies because the mom can't take care of it. Hello? Its called an orphanage. On a slight other note: To many guys today run away the moment "trouble" comes their way. Man up,pay your dues. I hate the "bang em, leave them" idea thats going around. 5. "Its my body, so I can do whatever I want with it!" anology: "Its my gun, so I can shoot you with it!" Seriously though, I didn't realize women's body's had two beating hearts and two brains. Yes, the baby relies on its mother to live, but its still a person in and of itself. 6. Another scenario: The woman's life is at sever risk because of the baby. This one is another anology: "An eye for an eye." Their equal, no life is above the other here. The woman has no right to kill the baby. See point five again. Yes, it relies on the mother. It still has a brain and a beating heart. Finally, I think partially-alive abortion is absolutely sick beyond means. Frankly, I think you have to be truly twisted to perform such an act. Its absolutely disgusting. Principles... This thread has not received its proper attention, so I thought I'd throw in my philosophical two cents.   The Counter-Argument 1. An abortion terminates a collection of cells-not a human.  It can be said to be potentially human-given the right conditions. However, if you wish to postulate that a "potentiality" is the same as the actuality-then you have to regulate birth control as well. After all, it stops the potential joining of egg and sperm from occurring. 2. I don't believe abortion as a form of birth control is a valid argument. That does not mean that I would outlaw it. Abortion is a medical procedure. 3. So you are stating that a woman who was raped should have to support and care for a child that was violently forced upon her? I find that to be ethically unconscionable. 4. Are you aware of orphanages' problems? Do you know how many are never adopted? Do you know the record of abuses that occur in the system?  There are major problems with the orphanage idea. I could supply the brutal statistics if you wish, but its pretty depressing. 5. Yes, it is a woman's body & yes they can choose what to do with it. A fetus is not a person. A person is a human being that has all or most of the following characteristics: rationality, command of language, self-consciousness, control or agency, and moral worth. Thus, philosophically, a fetus cannot be a person. Thus, I would suggest that a fetus is a parasite that may potentially become a person. 6. Typically, when it is a case of a woman being in severe risk-an abortion is performed because the pregnancy is believed to be life threatening to both the mother and fetus. Doctors do not generally advocate the procedure lightly in these cases.   However, you mention equality. Equality is a warm & fuzzy myth. In the real world, it does not exist. Additionally, in many states you are not even a "person" until you reach the age of majority (or consent.). I don't think its fair, but there is much that is, unfortunately, unfair. As to no one having a right to terminate a life- we do it all the time. War, capital punishment, etc.   Lastly, for the record- I will not sugarcoat my position. I am not Pro-Choice. I am Pro-Abortion. I do not feel that abortion is either right or wrong. It is a moral choice that must be made on an individual basis. There is nothing that is "sick" about it. That is a value judgment. Abortion is a medical procedure, comparable in its scope to many types of surgeries.                                  -Seti P.S. It is theoretically impossible to be 110% for or against anything.   _________________ "Anger is useful—unless it is used against you." ―Dooku "Shall we find something to kill to cheer ourselves up?" ~HK-47 Moff of Korriban Dark Patron: Darth Traya

Re: Is abortion wrong?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:52 pm
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High Commander Vexen Sith Lord Second Degree Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 5107 Location: Building a Communist fighting robot Seti...that about sums it up. Although you are right about the choice/abortion thing though. Chief Inquisitor Seti wrote: The Counter-Argument 1. An abortion terminates a collection of cells-not a human.  It can be said to be potentially human-given the right conditions. However, if you wish to postulate that a "potentiality" is the same as the actuality-then you have to regulate birth control as well. After all, it stops the potential joining of egg and sperm from occurring. 2. I don't believe abortion as a form of birth control is a valid argument. That does not mean that I would outlaw it. Abortion is a medical procedure. 3. So you are stating that a woman who was raped should have to support and care for a child that was violently forced upon her? I find that to be ethically unconscionable. 4. Are you aware of orphanages' problems? Do you know how many are never adopted? Do you know the record of abuses that occur in the system?  There are major problems with the orphanage idea. I could supply the brutal statistics if you wish, but its pretty depressing. 5. Yes, it is a woman's body & yes they can choose what to do with it. A fetus is not a person. A person is a human being that has all or most of the following characteristics: rationality, command of language, self-consciousness, control or agency, and moral worth. Thus, philosophically, a fetus cannot be a person. Thus, I would suggest that a fetus is a parasite that may potentially become a person. 6. Typically, when it is a case of a woman being in severe risk-an abortion is performed because the pregnancy is believed to be life threatening to both the mother and fetus. Doctors do not generally advocate the procedure lightly in these cases.   However, you mention equality. Equality is a warm & fuzzy myth. In the real world, it does not exist. Additionally, in many states you are not even a "person" until you reach the age of majority (or consent.). I don't think its fair, but there is much that is, unfortunately, unfair. As to no one having a right to terminate a life- we do it all the time. War, capital punishment, etc.   Lastly, for the record- I will not sugarcoat my position. I am not Pro-Choice. I am Pro-Abortion. I do not feel that abortion is either right or wrong. It is a moral choice that must be made on an individual basis. There is nothing that is "sick" about it. That is a value judgment. Abortion is a medical procedure, comparable in its scope to many types of surgeries.                                  -Seti P.S. It is theoretically impossible to be 110% for or against anything.

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:57 pm
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Darth Suspiria Sith Master Joined: 05 Sep 2008 Posts: 521 Location: Connecticut I believe in a women's right to choose. I also believe that young women have a duty to accept responsibility for their own destinies. In other words, they need to take the proper precautions when sexually active. I never had a child until I chose to. There was never any question that when it happened it would be my choice and not the choice of circumstance. A fetus is a potential life. It is not fully formed for the first few weeks and cannot live on its own. A woman is the one who bears the burden of carrying the child, delivering him/her and assuming the care-giving responsibilities. Sometimes in modern society men assume that role. But for the majority it is still women. When I think about having to abort a fetus to save the life of the mother, I see it in the following way. The mother may have children, a husband or boyfriend. A companion who loves them. They have mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, cousins. Significant others in their lives. They may have a career, clubs they belong to, be a member of the PTA. Play chess, write poetry. In other words they have a life. It is filled with love and joy and people who will miss them. It does not diminish the value of the baby. It just means that a choice must be made as to whose life has at that moment the greater purpose. For me that is the person who has others who count on them, the mother. More than anything young women need to act with self-respect and dignity. Not place themselves in situations where abortions become commonplace. I believe in choice, but not choice for the sake of choice. Not choice for mindless self- indulgence. Choice should always be subject to appropriate personal restraint. Acceptance of responsibility for one's body, actions, and fate. _________________

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:19 pm
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Kye Vel'Zorn Dark Adept Joined: 20 Sep 2008 Posts: 14 Yes, it is wrong. But, I believe people should have the choice to do so, if they please. If they can sleep that night, knowing that they ended the life of a would be human, then more power to them. But still, they are the ones who will have to live down aborting their future child. Anyone with a conscience, will feel guilty and will never forget it.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:37 am
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High Prophet Crozeus Sith Priest Joined: 24 Jul 2008 Posts: 4498 Location: I am yu, and he is mi. But the argument there is: "Is a Foetus a human before 24 weeks? Or is it still an Embreyo?" People have different views as to when it could be classed as a human - first independant breath, first heartbeat, first brainwave etc. _________________

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:05 pm
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Kye Vel'Zorn Dark Adept Joined: 20 Sep 2008 Posts: 14 Well, A fetus must have a brainwave to generate a heartbeat correct? But, I believe that if the brain is alive enough to make the heart function then the fetus is "technically" alive.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:25 pm
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High Prophet Crozeus Sith Priest Joined: 24 Jul 2008 Posts: 4498 Location: I am yu, and he is mi. I agree with you there. The brain does everything so first brainwave would be my choice as well. _________________

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:56 pm
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Darth Macht Sith Acolyte Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 239 Prophet Crozeus wrote: You should have had another option for "choice" Prochoice=proabortion. It's a special word we use for people who know it's morally wrong but look the other way. I don't mean any offense, but this is a bluntly simple and true statement. _________________ Patron: Darth Nihilus

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:22 pm
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High Prophet Crozeus Sith Priest Joined: 24 Jul 2008 Posts: 4498 Location: I am yu, and he is mi. Well, no, it isn't. Pro-abortion means that it must be done and is a form of contraception, which it shouldn't be. Pro-choice means that it is the woman's right to choose. If she is endangered due to the baby, or the baby would be at risk, then she can choose to abort. _________________

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:30 pm
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Darth Macht Sith Acolyte Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 239 I know wikipedia is not a credible source, but pro-abortion directs to the topic labeled pro-choice. There is no "it must be done" group. There is a "it can't be done" and a "can be done" group. _________________ Patron: Darth Nihilus

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:36 pm
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Darth Cruiciatus Sith Master Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 1337 Location: With the sheep lovers- the Welsh Still though, Seti pretty much owned Yoda. _________________

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:28 pm
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Yodafueva Jedi Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 241 Location: Superunknown Darth Cruiciatus wrote: Still though, Seti pretty much owned Yoda. Not really, most of what he said was just speculation. Okay; orphanages aren't a pleasent place and sometimes a kid must live there for his full childhood. That's only speculation, and doesn't condone an abortion at all. It doesn't matter that a collection of cells isn't a full blown human yet, it still has the potential to be a human. It's not there yet, but it's in existence. Comparing it to surgery is laughable, really laughable. An abortion terminates a potential human. It's not used to help somebody, it's simply used to kill a potential life. _________________

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:52 pm
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High Commander Vexen Sith Lord Second Degree Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 5107 Location: Building a Communist fighting robot Yodafueva wrote: It doesn't matter that a collection of cells isn't a full blown human yet, it still has the potential to be a human. It's not there yet, but it's in existence. I would never use the word potential when talking about abortion. They have the potential to cure cancer, but they also could be the next Hitler, or even just a boring little office drone. _________________

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:02 pm
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Yodafueva Jedi Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 241 Location: Superunknown High Commander Vexen wrote: Yodafueva wrote: It doesn't matter that a collection of cells isn't a full blown human yet, it still has the potential to be a human. It's not there yet, but it's in existence. I would never use the word potential when talking about abortion. They have the potential to cure cancer, but they also could be the next Hitler, or even just a boring little office drone. You missed my point. I'm saying, it's not a full blown human yet but it still will be a human UNLESS an abortion happens. _________________

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:49 pm
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Scion Grey Jedi Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 1362 Location: According to Shadow, Reldar Prime Seti is still here? My GOD!!! _________________ "Yep, were screwed. He's probably trained in knives, or ball-kicking or something." -Church Raptor Jesus Pwns

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:28 am
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Darth Cruiciatus Sith Master Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 1337 Location: With the sheep lovers- the Welsh Yodafueva wrote: Darth Cruiciatus wrote: Still though, Seti pretty much owned Yoda. Not really, most of what he said was just speculation. Okay; orphanages aren't a pleasent place and sometimes a kid must live there for his full childhood. That's only speculation, and doesn't condone an abortion at all. It doesn't matter that a collection of cells isn't a full blown human yet, it still has the potential to be a human. It's not there yet, but it's in existence. Comparing it to surgery is laughable, really laughable. An abortion terminates a potential human. It's not used to help somebody, it's simply used to kill a potential life. then like he said, if you made things illegal based on the potentiality of life, you'd have to outlaw birth control as well, as that prevents millions f potential lives. Hell, any time a human male ejaculates you'd have to put him in prison for killing millions of potential babies. _________________

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:34 am
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High Mage Serratus Sith Marauder Joined: 25 Sep 2008 Posts: 1578 Location: Eating a bagel (LIKE A BOSS) Darth Macht wrote: 1) No, I am pointing out is was culturally unacceptable "back in the day" to talk about abortion, let alone do it (it was illegal too). I am not advocating an attack. 2) About the parasite, yes the life form is Dependant on its mother and is,in fact, a parasite. However, it is a HUMAN PARASITE! It is still a human being: parasitic or not. 3) I was pointing out a hypocritic statement, not a flaw in a belief system. You, however, seem to think that the Church (and I do take offense to that comment: I am Roman Catholic) is a ridiculous bunch of cold, dim-witted pansies. I disagree. Please read more on the Church rather than throwing unsupported "facts" at me. Do you know what reconciliation is? Also, the opinion of the Catholic Church is that a medical procedure can, to save a mother in danger, indirectly kill the fetus. A direct killing of the fetus is murder, but understand that the result of an operation killing the unborn child- but not in an attempt to kill the child- is understandable. Do you realize how idiotic you sound? Go do some research on belief systems, or even just use WIKIPEDIA if you're lazy. Buy the Cataclysm of the Catholic Church if you want to criticize us. 1) Yes, back in the day it was culturally unacceptable for black people to marry white people, for women to vote and for workers to have unions. Hell, back in the day it was culturally unacceptable for gays and atheists to exist. This contributes nothing to the discussion. 2) It's not a human being until it starts living. It doesn't start living until the first brainwave. 3) Haha! I don't need to research the frickin' Catholic Church! I was Catholic for 12 years of my life! I was an altar boy, I've read the Bible seven times, I was confirmed, the entire primary level religious education in my country is solely Catholic! What you said doesn't refute the fact that a raped twelve-year-old will be condemned by your God if she gets an abortion. That sounds pretty unfair to me. _________________ If you see dreadlocks and a staff coming towards you very rapidly, you're in trouble.

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:12 am
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Yodafueva Jedi Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 241 Location: Superunknown Darth Cruiciatus wrote: Yodafueva wrote: Darth Cruiciatus wrote: Still though, Seti pretty much owned Yoda. Not really, most of what he said was just speculation. Okay; orphanages aren't a pleasent place and sometimes a kid must live there for his full childhood. That's only speculation, and doesn't condone an abortion at all. It doesn't matter that a collection of cells isn't a full blown human yet, it still has the potential to be a human. It's not there yet, but it's in existence. Comparing it to surgery is laughable, really laughable. An abortion terminates a potential human. It's not used to help somebody, it's simply used to kill a potential life. then like he said, if you made things illegal based on the potentiality of life, you'd have to outlaw birth control as well, as that prevents millions f potential lives. Hell, any time a human male ejaculates you'd have to put him in prison for killing millions of potential babies. Not really, you're not getting this, are you? Birth control prevents conception from even happening, the fetus doesn't exist. Abortion kills the fetus once it's already in existence, and already has the potential to develop into life. Another way to view abortion is that it simply takes something natural and  makes it unnatural. If an abortion doesn't happen, the baby will likely be born (unless a miscarriage or something of the like happens). Abortion is taking something natural, and crushing it. _________________

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:10 pm
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Darth Cruiciatus Sith Master Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 1337 Location: With the sheep lovers- the Welsh It's the same thing. It has the potential to become a baby. One is a more advanced stage, but both have the potential to become a human life. _________________

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:15 pm
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Darth Macht Sith Acolyte Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 239 High Commander Vexen wrote: Yodafueva wrote: It doesn't matter that a collection of cells isn't a full blown human yet, it still has the potential to be a human. It's not there yet, but it's in existence. I would never use the word potential when talking about abortion. They have the potential to cure cancer, but they also could be the next Hitler, or even just a boring little office drone. I agree with you, Seti, that the life potential argument is invalid. The first brainwave means it has human functions: not that it's human. It's human before that time as well. Also, that's frickin' great for you. The primary level religious education in nearly every country in which the Catholic Church can operate is Catholic. God is all forgiving and all-understanding according to Church teaching. She will be condemned for murder, I think that is fair. _________________ Patron: Darth Nihilus

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