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Evolution True or False
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I do not wish for anyone try to change the way I think, I just wish to say the way I feel on the matter.

I do not believe in evolution, at least not in the evolution of man. I at least now the Earth evolve's, and transforms according to time. I believe in science yes, and the fact that organsim's and cells and whatever else will change and sometimes become unstable. If evolution does exist, why doesn't monkeys or apes continue to transform into humans?

As a Christian, it is my belief that God created everything to please him, and in his infinite wisdom, created the cells and everything that makes us.

This is my opinion, as should be heard. I wish to hear everyones comment on this.
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The reason that monkeys and apes don't keep evolving into humans is 1) because there is no destination in evolution and 2) humans didn't evolve from modern moneys and apes, humans and monkeys and apes share a common ancestor.

1) Things don't evolve towards a certain species. The good money says that apes and monkeys will never evolve into humans. They may evolve into something similar to humans, but they will almost definitely never become Homo sapiens. And it may seem like they're not evolving, but they are and rarely enough, we've actually caught tiny glimpses of their evolution. Certain apes have started using rocks as tools and even sharpened them into knifes for cutting fruit from trees. Sound familiar?

2) A common misconception is that modern apes are the same animals that humans evolved from. They're not. Modern apes and humans share a common ancestor, but they branched off from each other millions of years ago. Humans have simply evolved more radically than apes.
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The numbers are against you "Non-Believers" of evolution.
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That doesn't mean that we are wrong, Fien. We will continue to stand firm in what we believe in, no matter what you say or think.
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I agree with Thrax. And Fien, the one IN the debate (Serratus) was more courtious than you. At least he had manners.


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I was only stating a fact. Anyone with eyes can see that.
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So don't state the obvious please.


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Fien, just because you say something certainly does not make it true. If that was the case I could say "Birds don't have wings.", which is not true even in the least.
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Fien, such a statement is not only obnoxious and disrespectful of the beliefs of others, but also is not debating. Keep please such silliness out the debating forum.

Durza, we do not tolerate namecalling on TDSL, in any form and it is a punishable offence.

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I apolgize, I forgot my manners. It will not happen again.


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Alas, Serratus you do raise a good point even though I myself don't believe in it, I would like to hear of another example of two "similar" groups as you have described. Also by the monkeys having rocks formed like knives possibly could be the monkeys observing humans and their preferences and what humans do.
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Good, let's just keep everything friendly and try not to get too heated eh?
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In all seriousness, the only flaw I can see in Darwin's theory is the gap in the fossil record.
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Well yeah that's one of the things wrong but it depends if you're talking about darwin's original theory or all the new ones they put out there.


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Fien'Dur wrote:
The numbers are against you "Non-Believers" of evolution.


Numbers mean very little. You can have 1,000 people on your side, but if Serratus, myself, and any others on our side provide more evidence, are more eloquent, and present good ideas, we can still win.

Consider the American Revolution. The British outnumbered the Americans. Look who won?

As for the apes part, Serratus is right. I believe I already stated this, but I'll repeat it because it holds value for this as well.

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The evolutionary process for humans started over 2.3 to 2.4 million years ago in Africa, when the entire Homo species broke off from the Australopithecus. Meaning they were no longer close enough in physical attributes to be the same species. Around 5-7 millions years ago, the human branch broke away from the only other "Homo" species, Chimpanzees. The humans went through several evolutions after that period, which include the  Homo erectus, which inhabited Asia, and Homo neanderthalensis, which inhabited Europe. The final step to Homo Sapiens occurred 400,000-250,000 years ago.


Chimpanzees are the only species similar to humans. All other apes are entirely different and split away from the human ancestors around 2.4 million years ago. So watching modern day apes and monkeys will not yield many comparable instances.

You are not likely to see any evidence of evolution. As already stated, it is a long process. Chimpanzees could very well be evolving. But even if they were right now, you wouldn't live long enough to see the "end product".

Of course there is no end product, because even today, Humans are still evolving. We are a lot taller, smarter, faster, stronger, and live longer lives now. Granted the longevity is due mainly to medicine.

There is no help with the fossil gap. There are many circumstances that could have created it.  Catestrophic events, like an asteroid that wiped out entire species leaving no evidence. Or just having entire species die out in areas ill suited to leaving fossils. Just because something dies does not mean that a fossil will be formed. There are hundreds of species of dinosaurs that we have no fossils for. Granted, that is an assumption, but a valid one.

Then there is the argument about if fundamentalism is correct, then why do we find these other fossils? If we were created in just one day, complete and whole. What are these other species doing here? Why are the fossils there?
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Perhaps, the fossils are of completely other species, that have long been extinct. And I can't answer the thing about the "why do we find these other fossils? If we were created in just one day, complete and whole." question without breaking the rules.


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If they are entirely other species? Then why did they die out? Why are they so similar to us? Why can we trace DNA links to them? And why did they exist?

Please feel free to PM me your answer if you wish to speak about a religious topic for your answer. Just a warning, I am Catholic and will not be lied to about the religious aspect of things.
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I don't like talking about evolution because the Earth is over 4 billion years old and none of us were alive back then or even 40 years ago. How do we know what we're talking about really happened or not? That's right we don't. And evidence can easily be tampered with. Not to mention all of the crap the government is hiding from us. For all we know, we might not even exist as we think we exist. It's mind blowing just to think, i know, but it's crazy.
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I agree with you on most of that.


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You're digressing Iyezo.



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